Murder-hobos. Heavily armed vagrants, wandering from town to town. Tempers flare, and corpses lie still on the barroom floor. Like a samurai granted kiri sute gomen, the permission to cut and depart, only the presumed wailing of friends and relatives is left in their wake. Weeks later, they return, bloodied themselves, with heaping mounds of gold and treasure. They may glow visibly with newly-acquired power. And still they provoke the inhabitants of the town, who probably treat with them anyway, and take their gold, give them lodging. And as the Chitauri master (?) said: “The humans? What can they do . . . but burn.”

Hrmph.

A really active facebook thread about what do to about murder-hobos got me thinking about the why and the what of the phenomenon. I’m not going to try and solve it her, per se, but I do have a few thoughts.

Free Action is not Consequence-Free Action

The biggest solution to what happens when things in town (or on the trail, or . . . ) go horribly awry is always the same: have the perpetrators treated like there are consequences for their actions. People remember when they draw axes during an intense political conversation at Ye Olde Pubbe and kill some folks. They won’t be served, at least. The town may just bar the doors to them. No service for you. No corselet, no sollerets, no service, so to speak.

Writing Dragon Heresy got me thinking about this more, though, because if you kill some random chap in Viking culture, if the cause wasn’t just – and the culture seemed to have a pretty good idea of ‘just’ and ‘unjust,’ or at least ‘he brought it on himself’ or ‘that was uncalled for,’ then the family of the deceased had not just the right, but the obligation to pay you back in turn.

And that wasn’t relegated to “oh, a 1st-level schlub gets to try and revenge himself on a 17th-level guy named Sir Cuisinart.” No . . . it extends a few relations over. They might kill your brother. Or your third cousin twice removed, or something. I believe there was a limit to the distance of the relations, but things would happen. They would, if I understand it right (and I’m still learning), happen at the Thing, (pronounced ting, I think). During this moot of the karls and jarls, a claim of grievance would be lodged, and folks would basically say whether the claimant was in the right for wanting vengeance.

Here’s the kicker: if it was deemed so, that just meant the wronged party got a nod that whatever they did was within the bounds of justifiable homicide. It was up to them to recruit friends, neighbors, and relatives to try and do the deed.

I might have that wrong; I’d love reference to validate.

But in any case: the culture supported quite a bit of give-and-take on violent retribution, and the expectation that not just you (hey, I’m high level), but your brother Bernie (Berndred? Bernr?) might get offed in vengeance. If you had a house, it might be attacked and burned, and if you were in it, so much the better. If not, that’s good too.

Consequences.

That’s easy, though. The key bit is not having it happen to begin with.

Restrained Dispute Resolution

Sometimes I wonder if the reason a lethal escalation to violence was so very common (is very common) is the lack of alternatives that are, for lack of a better word, fun.

It can be fun to roleplay a loud, boisterous, beserker shieldmaiden that will insult the town gentry, finish off three chickens and a cask of wine, and challenge the local tough guy to an arm-wrestling contest. But if some local hotshot goes for an inappropriate pinch . . .

. . . no question he’s gonna deserve a smackdown. But brawling is frequently slow, or geared to be not that much less lethal than weapons. Grappling makes folks flip the table over in rage in many cases, as I noted when writing Dungeon Grappling.

And yet, and yet.

Having Gudrun backhand said offender across the face, then wrestle him into a pretzel until he squeals for mercy is not just satisfying narratively, it should be fun to play out. Dragon Heresy does this with the addition of better rules for grappling that allow everything from conditions to applying pain. You can, with solid mechanical support, make poor Robert the Pincher squeal for mercy. And then have your part skald sing songs about it, renaming him Robert the Squealer. Telling the tales of His Yelpiness far and wide.

That’s a combat-oriented but non-lethal avenue that provides satisfying and decisive mechanical support for a narrative outcome that doesn’t involve entrails.

A Flyting Victory

Again with the Vikings! The stories and sagas, eddas of prose and poetry, show a particular kind of “combat” that was basically a contest of insults. Called Flyting.

Now there’s something neat. Engaging in a contest of insults would be pretty spiffy. It would give mechanical support to non-spellcasting combat that focuses on CHA and INT instead of STR, DEX, and CON.

love this idea, it’s culturally apt for the Dragon Heresy world, and I can completely see how to do this within my ruleset. So much so that I’m actively looking for a place to put it.

But again: defeat your foe in a formal contest of insults, have skalds on hand to sing the song of said stinging victory with cutting words. Your fame grows (Egil was renowned as both a lout, a brawler, and a poet) and your star rises . . . all without having to figure out where to dispose of the spare liver.

And maybe skalds could actually turn that into actual injury. Fairly sure they can do that anyway, through magic, but having this level of support for it would be pretty spiffy.

Parting Shot

So two things, really. I think that in many cases “murder-hoboism” is played out because there’s mechanical support for it (combat rules are usually the most detailed), it’s the most fun (it’s a fantasy game based from a wargame in many cases), and there is little consequence for it (social, physical, or otherwise).

With Dragon Heresy, you’ll be able to engage in robust grappling to provide full-on combat experience with no fatality unless you mean it. The new flyting rules (gotta write those Right Now) will allow for an entirely different axis of combat.

And I definitely need to put in some reputation based rules for such, because your fame and honor need to come into play. Including a rep that turns you into “very dangerous, kill on sight.” And with enough arrows, you’re going down. Your’e certainly not getting into town to sell your loot and buy your supplies. And if the Thing votes you Outcast and Thrall . . . you’re not even a person. You can be killed and rolled off a cliff like so much trash, provided your assailant(s) has the might, or lots of people where quantity has a quality all its own.

But the more non-impaling axes one has to resolve disputes, and the more clear the consequences for murder-hoboing, the more easily players will engage with both story and rules to avoid it. Just make it fun.

It goes both ways, too. If the players can avail themselves of such avenues if a powerful NPC gets all in their face, that’s just juicy fun.

 

I need to wrap this up earlier in the day today due to family schedule, but here are the winners for the 12 Days of OSR Christmas, from beginning to end

Day Winner Prize
14-Dec Edwin Nagy PDF
15-Dec MIke Bauer PDF
16-Dec Ryan Hixson Dungeon Grappling hardcopy
16-Dec Jonathan N PDF
17-Dec Froth PDF
18-Dec J T Brookreson PDF
19-Dec Adam Ness Lost Hall physical copy
19-Dec Paul Go PDF
20-Dec Jeff Scifert PDF
21-Dec Ngo Vinh-Hoi PDF
22-Dec James S Dungeon Grappling hardcopy
22-Dec Rus K PDF
23-Dec Tony Thompson PDF
24-Dec Tim Baker PDF
25-Dec Steve Muchow Lost Hall physical copy
25-Dec Jan Egil Bjune PDF
25-Dec Matt Jackson PDF
25-Dec Kelly PDF
25-Dec Robert Lambert PDF
25-Dec Jarad PDF
25-Dec Mike Smith PDF
25-Dec Jonathan B PDF

If you won a PDF, you’ll have received (or are about to receive) an email from me asking about your preference for Lost Hall or Dungeon Grappling. Physical copies – well, two were given out by hand, as Ryan and Adam both coincidentally lived in the Twin Cities. One will go out later by request of the recipient so he’s there when it arrives. The last one to Steve, will have to wait until my own physical copies arrive in the next few days and will go out along with the Kickstarter backers’.

Thanks to all for dropping by and expressing interest in the giveaway and my products. My only request: read and review! If you have a blog, I’d appreciate a bit of a writeup. If you don’t, an email or note will do, and I’ll host it here on Gaming Ballistic.

Merry Christmas!

The Random Number Gods have spoken, and hath decreed that:

James M Shaw is the winner of a physical copy of Dungeon Grappling. Rus Ketcham gets his choice of DG or Lost Hall of Tyr!

The next three days will show gifts of a PDF today and tomorrow, and a physical copy and PDF on Christmas Day.

In fact, I’m going to give out SEVEN PDFs on Christmas day, being in a holiday mood and all.

So be of good cheer!

Was distracted by the need to travel for the holidays, so this post is a bit late.

I think I forgot to also give a PDF out on Day 6 (Dec 19), so Paul wins that one.

The Day 7 (Dec 20) prize goes to Jeff Scifert.

The Day 8 (Dec 21) prize goes to Ngo Vinh-Hoi.

That should bring us current!

Merry Christmas!

 

The Day 5 PDF Winner was JT Bookerson – he’s not chosen whether he wants Dungeon Grappling or Lost Hall yet.

The Day 6 winner of Lost Hall of Tyr – a print copy – is Adam Ness.

Day 7 and Day 8 will be more “PDF of your choice!”

 

Note: Apparently both physical copies have gone to folks here in MN by random chance. I swear it’s the Google random number generator and not “must be in MN to win.” But . . . if Ryan and Adam are willing, they’ll meet me at my Viking martial arts studio and be handed their copies.

The winners of the Day 3 giveaway were:

Physical Copy of Dungeon Grappling: Ryan Hixson (who turns out to live right here in the Twin Cities . . . who knew?)

PDF Copy of Lost Hall of Tyr: Jonathan N.

 

Today is another PDF of the recipient’s choice.

I also dug in and made two updates to my Lost Hall PDF, and made one errata fix and added a complete set of navigation bookmarks. Hopefully I can really call it DONE now.

The Day 2 Winner was Michael Bauer! He chose Lost Hall of Tyr, and his link was mailed out this morning.

Tonight’s drawing will be for a physical copy of Dungeon Grappling . . .

 

For what it’s worth: a US postal address doesn’t matter. DriveThruRPG lets me ship from the UK to just about anywhere for $5-8, and of course US Media Mail is about $3. So unless you’re from Brazil, where the only shipping option costs $30, don’t self-select out.

 

The OSR Christmas continues today.

Edwin Nagy was yesterday’s winner, and I gave him a choice of Lost Hall of Tyr or Dungeon Grappling – he chose Lost Hall.

I’ll offer the same choice to each winner – which of my (for the moment) two products do you want? Dungeon Grappling will suit if you really want all the options in it, or wish rules for Pathfinder and 5e along with your Swords & Wizardry.

Lost Hall is the newer product, and also contains a two-page Dungeon Grappling quick-start that will get you going on sensible grappling rules. As a GM, you’ll love what they do for your monsters. As a player, it’s a sensible extension of the usual combat rules that gives an axis of conflict resolution that doesn’t always result in dismemberment and escalation (but still can be used for such).

In any case: the plethora of electrons available in my inventory makes “winner’s choice” a sensible offer.

Merry Christmas!

For the first day of Christmas, the random number generator says . . . Edwin Nagy!

He’ll get to choose between Lost Hall of Tyr and Dungeon Grappling . . . because it’s not like I’m running out of PDFs any time soon.

Anybody that did NOT win – 26 more folks that left a comment today – will be rolled forward each day for the PDF awards.

I would appreciate a fresh comment if you’re interested in a physical product. The first one, on the 16th, will be a copy of Dungeon Grappling.

Merry Christmas!