+Christopher R. Rice and I sat down briefly to discuss a mutual project of ours, that he nonetheless originated, championed, and for lack of a better word, chairs.
Pyramid Magazine can a tough magazine for which to write. GURPS formats are intensely technical, and the Steve Jackson Games style guide somewhat opaque. Tack onto that the fact that game writing is technical writing, and what more you have to have a good idea, organize it well, and carry it off with the written word with sufficient panache to entice the reader onward, well, one has a job of work ahead of him.
Please forgive my current writing style. I have been immersed in +Steven Brust‘s Viscount of Adrilankha series just a moment ago, and his Paarfisms have infected my prose.
So, shall I continue? I very much think I shall.
To the meat of it, then: we recorded a short, shall we say, Public Service Announcement, where we discussed some of the particulars of the group, what he’s trying to accomplish, and why.
You can find the interview at my YouTube Channel, as well as by clicking the link below.
If you’re interested in developing your skills with the goal of writing for Pyramid (and eventually e23 should you prove to enjoy the process and be successful at it), you may contact him at email@example.com
We’re departing a little bit from the usual, in that this is more or a less a
public service announcement. We’ve got Christopher Rice from his blog Ravens N’
Pennies joining to talk about something that he’s doing in order to help people
write for Pyramid magazine. So you started a Pyramid writer’s group. Why did you do that?
that Antoni Ten Monrós talked about. And I just finally after your last
podcast, I was like “You know, we need this.” There is a lot of people out
there that want to write, but they’re not sure how to go about it. And I felt
it was just the way to go.
Fair enough. So what’s the goal of your writer’s group? Why start it and what
are you trying to accomplish there?
My biggest goal is to raise GURPS signal. I want to make people
more aware of it. One of the ways you can make somebody aware of something is
by getting them to do it. Because if enough people write for GURPS,
I really think they are going to talk about it to their friends, their family;
it’s a self-propogating cycle. We are not a “Learn How To Write Group.” If you
don’t know how to write, I can’t help you. What I can help you with is style
and formatting. Getitng you to understand how the WYSIWYG works. ‘Cause it is a
what is the WYSIWYG?
It the “What You See Is What You Get” template, it’s a fairly small file,
jet-packed with information. It’s basically what they pour into their production
software to get the final PDF for the book.
you say that writing in that style is rather critical in getting into Steven’s
I think it’s at least 40% of it.
If you have a crappy idea there is nothing that can happen.
if you have a good idea and you don’t write to their rules they are going to
kick it back to you, right?
Exactly. And those are the people I’m aiming to help. It’s Steven’s like “Go
and fix X, Y, and Z. Read the formatting guide and so on.” Those, they already
got an article, because that’s one of the requirements I put down. You already
have to have something written. And I need to evaluate it before I let you in.
If I just let in everybody that had a idea, it would become pandemonium.
would become the forums.
Exactly. It would become unmanageable. And I’m not into that.
that’s fair. And for those who saw the Pyramid Panel, one of the things that
Steven did say that is a part of that is that if you get feedback from Steve
Jackson Games you are 70% of the way towards an eventual sale. The most common
rejection is just “No.” And that if you get feedback it’s because there is
something good enough in there, either the way you write or what you are
writing about, or just in general tone that it’s something he wants to see more
of. So feedback is a huge deal.
Yes! I wanna go ahead and state that I
am not affiliated with Steve Jackson Games in any way. I’m not an in-house
official, I am doing this on my own, on my own time at my own dime. Also, my
mentors, I got a good group of people so far, including yourself. W.A. Frick,
Antoni, and I can always use more. More teachers and writers would be helpful.
why in particular, and you don’t have to talk about me, but why in particular
is this group suitable for mentoring Pyramid writers?
I have personally learned more mentoring others about writing than I could have
learned on my own. Once you reach a certain…I hate to use the word level, but
it’s the only word I can think of. Once you reach a certain level, then writing
and game writing, you kind of have to learn everything else on your own, but by
teaching others you get to see where you are weak at. And if you where you are
weak at, you can work on that.
we need to tell the story about Chuck Norris and the roundhouse kick. Do you
know the story about the Chuck Norris and the roundhouse kick?
No, I do not [smiles], I never heard that.
so the deal with Chuck Norris and the roundhouse kick is that he is famous for
it. He’s got all the things about it, and if you are ever sitting alone at home
is because Chuck Norris is about to roundhouse kick you in the head. The thing
is he would never work at it, he would never work on it when he was sparring.
He knew he was good at it. So he would work on his jabs or motion or whatever. When
he was in the ring, he’d would throw the roundhouse kick and, you know, knock
people into next week. But he would use his sparring sessions to train the
things he was bad at.
yeah, there is a bit of how do I hone the skills that need developing? That is
something that feedback groups are good for.
mentoring group: how many articles do you think you can parallel process at
once as a group?
I’ve currently decided that we can process about 3 per people per mentor, maybe
a little more, maybe a little less. But I’ve already got two people who’ve sent
in articles to Steven that I feel very confident that he’s going to take them,
just from looking at the final product.
enough. So if you want to join, how does one go about finding and doing it?
Some kind of quest thing, do you have to find the key and kill the dragon?
You gotta get the blue card first, then you get the BFG, and then you come find
me. No, you gotta have something written. I would like you to figure out how
the style guide works on your own, but not habits are better than bad habits.
So have something written, there is a link on the forums that Doug will put in
after the video, just go there and either contact me by PM on the forums, I’m
“Ghostdancer” or go to that thread and hit the “email button” it’s in the first
post. You’ll see if right away, send me what you got and I’ll give you a honest
opinion. You’re either in or not, or if you’re not quite good enough, I’ll
personally help you. I’ve done that twice now.
there some kind of waiting list? If this fills up, this is something we’ll
develop, but we have to clear the list first?
Right. I have about five people who have contacted me who are very close to
sending something my way, and I have exactly five slots left right now. As
people learn how to write the in-house style, as they become kind of more
comfortable in their own shoes, they get moved out of the protégé status to the
journeymen status. And then eventually they’re gone, you get booted out of the
group like a baby bird from the nest.
falling noises and a splat sound while miming the noises].
But after about 3 to 4 articles, you should really know where you are going.
suppose it’s true that after 3 or 4 articles n the last Pyramid Panel is
available to you…
I believe he said about 10.
I seem to remember it was between 10 and 11 or maybe even 12.
I think it was somewhere between 6 and a dozen. I don’t think I’ve written more
than six or seven articles, on the flipside I’ve been Lead Playtester for a
couple of books and then there is the [garbled audio] so that probably helps.
what happens if I’m doing the stuff, not the style, but the content. And I
disagree with it and I want to go my own way. Do you get booted out of the
group for that? Where do you stand?
No, you’re your own person, you’re your own writer, and you get to decide
what’s going on and you want to ignore the advice of others who have been
there. That’s up to you. But if you submit and it’s been pointed out that
something you’ve got in there doesn’t work and you get rejected…that’s not my
enough. And another thing that I’d say. Hans Christian Vortsich is especially
good at this I think. People will come and say, especially during the playtest,
“I think you need to do this with this manuscript, entry, etc.” and he’ll
basically say “That’s not my vision of this. No.” and he’ll shut it down. He’s
got a very firm vision of what he’s trying to accomplish. Now, as you are
trying to become a writer that is probably more close-minded than one needs to
once you…if you’ve got a vision of something, even if it’s deliberately counter
for standard GURPS and you’ve aimed it for a specific issue that is counter
to standard GURPS like Alternate GURPS or something like that. As
long as it’s clear what you are trying to accomplish, then the mentor group, as
long as its engaging enough will probably try to help you with that.
Yes. Absolutely. If you’ve got a very clear goal in mind, and this is my goal,
I’m not gonna tell you, you shouldn’t do it, I’m going to tell you why I
disagree with it. And then I’ll do my best to help you with your goal. With
your vision. And I like to think the other mentors will do the same.
So one last question, so we’re working on this and we’re writing back and forth
and obviously it’s not just the mentors who see the drafts and I’m writing
something and I see something on the board that inspires me greatly. And I got a
idea, but its either identical or derivative to what I’m looking at, we want to
make sure people don’t get irritated or offended or feel like their ideas have
been stolen. So what do we recommend going on in case a idea get improved, but
starts to inspire new ideas which may or may not be derivative there.
I would like to think that for the mentors and the other writers would be open,
and be like “I also have a idea for this, and are you cool with me using it?”
And if you’re not, I’d like to think that everybody is grown up enough to be
like “Okay.” And if you’re not…[shrugs].
I think the other thing that actually happens there is that, if there is a idea
and you’re like “Hey I was reading your article and I had this other idea…” and
then go off on your own and write a collaborative article. I’m collaborating
with two articles with Peter Dell’Orto that came up in either online or offline
conversation. So Pyramid does do articles with more than author.
In fact, I’m doing, right now with Antoni. We’ve got something cooking up
should multi-useful for different genres.
now we need to start seeing what’s on the slide…So that anyway, I think we
covered the bases here. Anything else you want to say, give yourself the
parting shot in Gaming Ballistic parlance.
If you’ve ever wanted to write and you really think you can do it, this is the
place to go for GURPS and later on I might branch out into other game
companies. You know, maybe figure out how Fate does its various articles and
the like. But for right now we’re just GURPS and it would be most
beneficial to anyone that wants to write. You’re not gonna get advice and formatting
input like [garbled audio].
I think that’s a worthy point, the style guide and formatting guide for GURPS
magazine is fairly intense, and one of the things people can do is that if they
have a good article and a good concept, but really need help on the formatting,
it would be not a problem to come up and say “Here’s the article.” And then
have some of the mentors bang it into the right format, and also show you some
tips and tricks. On our recent session on How to format tables, which can be
tricky in the style guide. And also some things like there is this huge
formatting guide that’s a word document, copy the section of the formatting
guide out of the formatting guide and paste it into your article and then
replace the key bits.
I’m all about the shortcuts, as long as it doesn’t affect quality.
enough. Okay, so I think that that brings this to a close. Thank you for your
Thank you, Doug.
thanks for your efforts on the Pyramid group, the more people
contribute to GURPS the more vibrant the community can be.
Alright, thanks again.