Spear Combat: Reaching out

A nifty question on the GURPS Forums about fighting with a one-handed spear.

GURPS

On the one-second time scale of GURPS, the grip change needs to be handled with higher resolution.

When I fight with a one-handed spear in my viking martial arts class, shield in the other hand, I use a sliding technique to reach out. I thrust with the spear, and let it slide in my hand until it reaches the bottom of the haft. I then have to yank and recover it back (Ready maneuver). This is with an underhand grip, which is my current preference because I haven’t trained up overhand yet. I hear good things about it. The sliding technique works there too, though.

Basically, you thrust with the spear and “throw” it, sliding in the hand to the limit of the spear range, typically about 6 feet. When it hits or gets as far as you like, you re-grip. Typically the spear is then over-balanced and way the hell out there. When that’s been done to me, I’ve occasionally knocked down (parried) the cast spear and then stepped on it, to take it out of play. Defender is forced to drop it and draw their seax, if they have one.

The “anyone can play” resolution that does the least violence to the rules would be to just allow anyone with training in spear to do it, but the attack causes the weapon to become Unready. A technique at Spear-1 might do it (I think it’s easier than Armed Grapple, which is at -2) and still be able to be bought off with a 1-point perk, which feels right.

This gives you Reach 2 at the cost of having to re-ready. If that one-point perk allowed you to fast-draw (spear) or Spear-4 to recover as a free action on the next turn, that would not bother me at all.

Another way to go would be to model it as a Committed Attack that is Determined and uses the “attack and fly out” option, but with a 1-point perk that lets you basically attack at full skill to Reach 2, *without* moving your feet and actually attacking and flying out in time-of-the-body.

The penalties to defense (can’t parry with the spear) make complete sense in this case, and the fact that you actually are back to Reach 1 at the end of your turn without a ready is a bit cinematic, but it’s awesome. In my experience, the sliding attack takes a turn, and then you recover the weapon on the next.

Dungeons and Dragons

Eh. With the six-second turn of D&D, you can do all of the above multiple times in a turn. The simplest way to do it would be to allow an attack to higher reach, and then recovery to low-reach as a bonus action. Or just assume all of that sliding is below the resolution of the rules, give even a one-handed spear Reach, and have done with it.

I’ll have to check to see what I did with Martial Spear Fighting in the Dragon Heresy manuscript. Make sure that the Reach change is both allowed and as simple as possible.

6 thoughts on “Spear Combat: Reaching out

  1. Spears are great! Not sexy, but very useful. Stab, set versus a charge, or throw them!

    Remember in d&d combat is very abstract. The attack roll represents an amalgam of all the thrusts you made and the hit point damage is the sum of all the little nicks, slashes and beatings you inflict.

  2. As an attack, does it have much power, at least underganded? I imagine overhand, it’s as powerful as Thrown Weapon (Spear), unless you are purposely not going full power to avoid accidentally throwing your spear.

    I ask because it seems that an underhanded throw as an attack doesn’t benefit from the full force of your legs and the momentum of your body, which it seems a normal spear thrust would*. If this is so, perhaps you just trade damage for a Reach change, and maybe either a Defensive or Committed version alleviates the unreadiness.

    * This is based on my knowledge of fencing and what little spear fighting I’ve seen.

    1. I think the answer here is multi-faceted. It doesn’t take that much force to impale a dude with no armor, and in the time period in question, with the fighters in question, they didn’t wear much. So you can get by with a strong cast and slide and still have good confidence you’ll kill the guy – or at least make him reconsider his day job – with the blow. I think in general we over-estimate the force required to muck someone up with weapons.

      The spear in general, by itself, has tremendous penetrating power by virtue of construction.

      Even so, I’d be willing to look at trade-offs for damage (say, thr+2 instead of thr+3 in GURPS), can’t parry with the weapon you used to reach 2, etc.

      My own experience has led me to believe that it’s a valid tactic. Not as strong as an overhand stab, but underhand tends to be a bit more balanced and maneuverable on the defense.

      Not sure; be interesting to see some real experts in action; most of the video stuff I see is “folks playing around with spears,” rather than “this is how an expert does it.”

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